Monday, September 24, 2007

History, Our Best Teacher

Back when this great country of ours was beginning its fight for independence a group of revolutionaries started dialogue with the British to try and reconcile their differences.  The British Monarchy allowed their judgement to be clouded by their ego and arrogance.  Seems like history is repeating itself.  
If you have been following the DTI battle that is going on right now between Amway and the British Government as well as the dispute between Quixtar and a former group of Independent Business Owners, you would see a lot of similarities.  It's ironic that Amway is now playing the part of the British Government of the 1700's and the former IBO's are playing the part of the American Revolutionaries.  The group of IBO's has spent years behind the scene trying to correct a slew of issue's to make the business opportunity better and their suggestions have fallen on deaf ears.  Those IBO's held true to their morals and ethics while being ignored by the very business they were trying to help improve.  Ego and arrogance has again gotten in the way of progress.  While an amiable solution was the goal, the battle lines have now been drawn.  Just like the American Revolutionaries ultimate goal was peace with the British, so to was peace the ultimate goal between the former IBO's and Amway/Quixtar.  Knowing that that may not happen a alternate plan was also put together.  
History provides us with the ending of America's Revolution, and soon, history will also record the ending to the Consumer Rebellion and the beginning of the Leadership Revolution.  "Free" enterprise and the entrepreneurial spirit cannot be held back.   Sometimes, enough is enough, and it's time to take a stand.  Our forefathers stood for freedom and so do the forefathers of the TEAM. 

34 comments:

Anonymous said...

If Amway is a product pyramid because it only sells about 3.4% of its products to non-ibos, then isn't TEAM a product pyramid, too? How many TEAM tools/functions are sold to non-TEAM customers?

Anonymous said...

Try learning the difference between an MLM and TEAM before you try making foolish comments withour any forethought.TEAM is not an MLM, and therefore does not have the same restriction as Quixtar. Get your facts straight before you speak/type.

Anonymous said...

Okay fellow anon, what is the difference between an MLM and TEAM?

Anonymous said...

BTW, you don't have to be an MLM to be deemed an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme. TEAM should be aware of that.

Anonymous said...

TEAM is not an MLM. Pretty simple isn't it.

Do you really think TEAM is not aware of that and are working to ensure that they do not become an illegal anything? You really should give TEAM a little more credit.

Anonymous said...

and obviously you do not have to have any vested interest in this to post comments. Just a lot of time on your hands and an internet connection.

Thanks for the heads up whoever you are.

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Wow, pithy.

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Anonymous said...

Anon said -
[Do you really think TEAM is not aware of that and are working to ensure that they do not become an illegal anything? You really should give TEAM a little more credit.]

Well, TEAM didn't seem to be aware that Amway/Quixtar was operating illegally for all those years. It also seems like all the lawyers for all of Quixtar's "partner stores" didn't do their homework either. If the only thing TEAM is focused on is prices, then they may miss what makes a marketing (multi-level like Amway or chain like TEAM) system illegal.

Anonymous said...

luckily you are here to set us all straight. that was a close one.

Anonymous said...

TEAM IS A NETWORK MARKETING COMPANY AND THEY ARE BEING INVESTIGATED AS WE SPEAK!

They were using the front of Q to promote the real business of promoting their Motivational PRODUCTS! Ask them to open their books and prove it wrong!!

I spent over six years in Amway, so I have the background of what is happening.
Ican't say I did not learn anything, but can say I was high enough the ladder to earn any money off the tapes and books I promoted to my team. Was that Fair?? Why didn't everyone make money off those tools??

Read the excerpt below and you will understand why Q is doing what they are doing! Educate yourselfs!! The Truth doesn't always feel good. But even ROSES have Thorns. Don't get pricked!
Is not the tapes and books PRODUCTS??
IF EVERYONE WOULD DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND ASK SOME OF THE PEOPLE, THAT ARE NO LONGER IN AMWAY< YOU MAY UNDERSTAND WHY Q IS DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE ALMIGHTY TEAM LEADERS! IT IS NOT ALL ONE SIDED!!
READ THE FOLLOWING AND IF YOU DON"T BELEIVE IT< RESEARCH WHAT YOU READ!! ENJOY THE TRUTH! IT"S NOT ALWAYS WHAT OR HOW WE LIKE TO HEAR IT. BUT IT"S STILL THE TRUTH!!

HISTORY OF AMWAY - ALTICOR - QUIXTAR TRAINING SYSTEMS AND HOW AND WHY THEY CAME ABOUT!



AMWAY - QUIXTAR - ALTICOR TERMINATES 6 DIAMONDS -- 12 OTHERS RESIGN

MAY 2002 Last month AMWAY - ALTICOR - Quixstar (AAQ) terminated 6 Diamonds over a dispute on the distribution of money for training tools. In a laudatory move 12 other Diamonds resigned (or threatened to) to protest this action! We salute those 12! This was a magnificent (and we are sure painful) way to protest corporate activity. http://mlmwatchdog.com/Archives2002_2.html (OPENS NEW WINDOW) The “Team In Focus” group that the 15 were in proposed an MLM comp plan for motivational book, CD and rally training materials. This would have gone all the way down to bottom distributors and not be restricted to the Diamond leadership. The other Diamonds went nuts over losing the money. This must be the new generation of leadership at Amway Alticor. Terminations around Amway were at an all time low. To fully understand the history of the Amway Quixtar training system read on!



BACK IN 1982 DeVos RAPS KNUCKLES OF DIAMONDS

Back in 1982 the book, tape and rally Diamond income was secret. New distributors didn’t know about the motivational tool business and it had started to develop into a monster. The program had originally started in 1972. Upline Diamonds got in lawsuits with Downline Diamonds because there were no contracts. Your WatchDog editor had bailed out of Away by 1974 because none of my training material was “good enough.” Why, you might ask? I wasn’t a Diamond! I always say that Amway made me millions of dollars – just not in Amway! Anyhow, by 1982 even Rich DeVos (a hero of mine) told the Diamonds they were on shaky ground in an audio tape “Directly Speaking.” Why? They were not sold to consumers. Over the years the Diamonds countered that it was NOT an MLM system, just millions of dollars of direct sales down the chains of Diamonds.



WHY MLM TRAINING IS A RED FLAG TARGET!

A HISTORICAL STORY ABOUT TRAINING July 2001 - updated May 2007

FOLLOW HOW THE AMWAY - QUIXTAR SYSTEM CAME ABOUT



MLM HORROR STORY

In the 60s, Holiday Magic (HM - a skin care company that believed products were not important) set up a training section called Leadership Dynamics (Zig Ziglar was not part of this, only HM product sales). Leadership Dynamics training consisted of torture, brainwashing, and EST psychology. It cost $5000 to go through it. You had to go through it to get to higher pay levels. The barbwire around testicles, naked dog piles, and suffocation were documented in a book "The Pit." It was made into a film and circulated in MLM trials when the FTC and states hit the company.



THAT LED TO

Glenn Turner was a top distributor with Holiday Magic. He revolted at the torture training and started KOSCOT. Turner did ship products and his leadership company, Dare To Be Great, was based on strong positive training at $5000. Tony Robbins is believed to have attended a course and got his start here. Training was $5000 in 1970, and many today swear it was worth it! However, selling training for 1/3 the price of a new house did not set well with regulators. The state and Federal regulators shut Turner down.



THE LAW ARRIVES

When the FTC hit all of them (MLM companies), one of the major thrusts of the FTC attack was training. Was it of value? All MLM training was hit or suspect. You still see that today when the FTC or states hit a company: Training, if too high priced or paid via MLM, is a great big red flag! Companies that specialize in training can't sell training MLM and stay out of trouble!



AMWAY DODGES ISSUE

AMWAY was hit but had pulled a smart diversification (SO IT SEEMED AT THE TIME), and dodged training issues. In 1972, they started letting top distributors create their downline's entire training systems and informally turned loose what could be charged for training. Amway Corporate at first did motivational meetings at the regional levels, then turned these lucrative large training meetings over to the Diamonds. The FTC did not address the training issues when they sued and settled with Amway (thank you Amway), since they did not exist within the corporate structure!



AMWAY CRITICS ARE WRONG

One of the interesting misconceptions, even from Alticor - Amway - Quixtar members, is that the tools and training system is MLM. It is not. Diamonds generate material and sell it at markups thru the levels of their MLM organization. It is a broker relationship from top down. The upline, starting with top Diamonds, push materials on downlines as almost mandatory. There is not a commission structure, but rather a price mark up as motivational books, tapes, CD's and training sessions go down the rank of Diamonds.



ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER

The distributor training material (and rallies) deals are not within Amway-Alticor - Quixtar corporation. They are Crown Diamond distributor deals, down to the lowest Diamond. There is no formal structure dictated by Alticor - Amway for markups on the tapes and other training material as they travel downline. The worst MLM tape ever was a Diamond out of Colorado Springs bashing every MLM company but his. Others, like Hawkins "Prospecting" (1984), was magnificent (as were some of his other tapes).



ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER, YOUR WATCHDOG OPINION

WatchDog Opinion: The distributor training material (and especially rallies), have gotten too high. Especially the regional training meetings and the big push to get people to them. I am an advocate of MLMer's reading books and listening to tapes. However, I started "The Golden Opportunity" as an MLM with fair pricing for magazines, tapes and tools in the 80's as a kind of personal revolt against the "big wigs" raking in all the money at high prices. Your editor thinks that Amway - Alticor - Quixtar growth in the U.S. has been stunted by too much motovation! Complaints - yes, lots!



AMWAY QUIXTAR TRAINING U.K. SHAKE UP - NO TRAINING BOOKS - TAPES - MEETINGS

http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/Report_Amway_Training.html

AEM said...

Anonymous,
Thank you for answering my questions. Thank you also for the post, it puts in perspective what makes Team so great. Although it doesn't explain why Quixtar is doing what it is.

Anonymous said...

THE LAW ARRIVES

When the FTC hit all of them (MLM companies), one of the major thrusts of the FTC attack was training. Was it of value? All MLM training was hit or suspect. You still see that today when the FTC or states hit a company: Training, if too high priced or paid via MLM, is a great big red flag! Companies that specialize in training can't sell training MLM and stay out of trouble!

This is not a war against the IBO. We are just are the spoils of this war! Who gets us! Team, Q, Who Knows! Time Will Only Tell!
Unfortunelty, The war is against the tool systems. Not just the IBO's. It's against the Diamonds Trainings System. The systems that have given amway more publicity than they wanted. If you look back, they have had this problem for years. TEAM is not the first.
Yes the prices have gotten high on us. But that is not the reason behind all this. What has happen has happened. We need to buckle down and look forward! If we are going to look for a "B" business then we need to be looking. Some of us have years in this. And for what! We are in a situation that needs attention NOW. I am looking at other content and commerce businesses and never realize how many there were!
I saw a blog on this site that said Team was looking at something that was internet based.
Does anybody no about it. This was on the other blog??Media Blitz
http://www.944.com/articles/6109

Are they MLM?

Anonymous said...

TEAM is simply a motivational tool business. you go there, register as a customer, and buy motivational products (at a reasonable price, I might add! $6 for a cd? unheard of!)
You may want to ask if Walmart is an MLM, since all of their employees are stockholders, & profit from the sales in the stores! -tagteam

Anonymous said...

Aren't TEAM "customers" eligible to share in the profits off the products bought by people they bring into TEAM?

For example Sally is a customer and brings in 50 people buying TEAM products. Would Sally get some kind of compensation for the volume her referrals are purchasing?

From what I understand, that is how it works. Am I misinformed? TEAM is not an MLM, but in fact a chain-marketing system, correct?

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Anonymous said...

The simple truth is that you can believe what you wish. Why is it necessary to try and convince us whose side is best? We are all adults and able to decide what is best for each of us. There is NO way that someone outside of TEAM can understand the loyalty of TEAM. Loyalty, trust, honesty, integrity are all part of TEAM. If you are not part of TEAM, you don't know what you don't know. Be ready for the future because exciting times are ahead. Have a blessed day and enjoy the fact that you live in a country as wonderful as the United States.

Mike in Virginia

Anonymous said...

"There is one way to avoid criticism: never do anything, never amount to anything. Never get your head above the crowd so the jealous will notice and attack you. Criticism is a sign that your personality has some force." - April 2007 calendar

Anonymous said...

or you are a complete jerk.

Anonymous said...

So many iterations and permutations. But in the mind of the customer, isn't it all Amway? Don't most people wonder, first, "Is it Amway?" And does this not usually kill the deal, right there? Don't you have to dance around that question for as long as you can, and then finally at the end of the meeting, wither it is Alticor, Quixtar, Network 21, or The TEAM, you have to admit that, yes, it's Amway? There may be all kids of factors at play. But isn't that all that the customer is looking for . . . does this company have any connection, at all . . . to AMWAY? And for right or wrong, for whatever reason, this seals it for people. I am wondering how you all are handling all of it, now that you must add to the "Is it Amway" question, this explanation of the legal trouble?

angelin said...

My favorite teacher was my freshman math teacher. He was one of the the goofiest people I ever knew, but incredibly nice and you could really tell he cared about the subject and all of his students. His class was always the best - I felt most confortable in the environment he set up and it was fun every day. I had hated math up until that point, but he taught me to love it! He was always so clear in his explanations and I could always understand what he was trying to get at. He always came into the classroom bring a positive attitude that set us all going.
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