Thursday, September 20, 2007

Just What Are Founding Fathers

Founding Fathers of the United States, also know as the Fathers of Our Country, the Forefathers, or the Founders, are the political leaders who signed the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution, or otherwise participated in the American Revolution as the leaders of the Patriots.  They were opposed by the Loyalists who supported the British Monarchy and opposed independence.  

There seems to be a incredible resemblance to the Founding Fathers of the TEAM.  They to are leaders who are standing up to the loyalists who oppose independence.  The TEAM's Founding Fathers are leading a Consumer Rebellion and will go down in history as the leaders of our Consumer Revolution.  A revolution focused on building leaders and providing true opportunity to anyone willing to fight for their families economic freedom.

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hear all the noise! But it's still the same old noise! TEAM leaders started a busiess within the business. Most of their money was made from the TEAM business.

If you don't beleive it, Have them lay open their books and look at the numbers your self.

The Q business was their front. Yes They may be the Founding fathers of TEAM. But the original founding fathers did not have any FINANCIAL GAIN from them standing up to the BRITS.

If you look at the history books, They put their life on the line. The stood for something more than the almighty DOLLAR!

Ask you team leaders if they will open the books to what they have earned from their TEAM business< Bet they won't. They will say that really isn't the case!!

That has been the case in all the cases of Amway. The leaders got accused of pushing their training too much. The training was brining too much attention to Q and A.

Below is an excerpt from history of A and Q.

IF EVERYONE WOULD DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH AND ASK SOME OF THE PEOPLE, THAT ARE NO LONGER IN AMWAY< YOU MAY UNDERSTAND WHY Q IS DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE ALMIGHTY TEAM LEADERS! IT IS NOT ALL ONE SIDED!!
READ THE FOLLOWING AND IF YOU DON"T BELEIVE IT< RESEARCH WHAT YOU READ!! ENJOY THE TRUTH! IT"S NOT ALWAYS WHAT OR HOW WE LIKE TO HEAR IT. BUT IT"S STILL THE TRUTH!!

HISTORY OF AMWAY - ALTICOR - QUIXTAR TRAINING SYSTEMS AND HOW AND WHY THEY CAME ABOUT!



AMWAY - QUIXTAR - ALTICOR TERMINATES 6 DIAMONDS -- 12 OTHERS RESIGN

MAY 2002 Last month AMWAY - ALTICOR - Quixstar (AAQ) terminated 6 Diamonds over a dispute on the distribution of money for training tools. In a laudatory move 12 other Diamonds resigned (or threatened to) to protest this action! We salute those 12! This was a magnificent (and we are sure painful) way to protest corporate activity. http://mlmwatchdog.com/Archives2002_2.html (OPENS NEW WINDOW) The “Team In Focus” group that the 15 were in proposed an MLM comp plan for motivational book, CD and rally training materials. This would have gone all the way down to bottom distributors and not be restricted to the Diamond leadership. The other Diamonds went nuts over losing the money. This must be the new generation of leadership at Amway Alticor. Terminations around Amway were at an all time low. To fully understand the history of the Amway Quixtar training system read on!



BACK IN 1982 DeVos RAPS KNUCKLES OF DIAMONDS

Back in 1982 the book, tape and rally Diamond income was secret. New distributors didn’t know about the motivational tool business and it had started to develop into a monster. The program had originally started in 1972. Upline Diamonds got in lawsuits with Downline Diamonds because there were no contracts. Your WatchDog editor had bailed out of Away by 1974 because none of my training material was “good enough.” Why, you might ask? I wasn’t a Diamond! I always say that Amway made me millions of dollars – just not in Amway! Anyhow, by 1982 even Rich DeVos (a hero of mine) told the Diamonds they were on shaky ground in an audio tape “Directly Speaking.” Why? They were not sold to consumers. Over the years the Diamonds countered that it was NOT an MLM system, just millions of dollars of direct sales down the chains of Diamonds.



WHY MLM TRAINING IS A RED FLAG TARGET!

A HISTORICAL STORY ABOUT TRAINING July 2001 - updated May 2007

FOLLOW HOW THE AMWAY - QUIXTAR SYSTEM CAME ABOUT



MLM HORROR STORY

In the 60s, Holiday Magic (HM - a skin care company that believed products were not important) set up a training section called Leadership Dynamics (Zig Ziglar was not part of this, only HM product sales). Leadership Dynamics training consisted of torture, brainwashing, and EST psychology. It cost $5000 to go through it. You had to go through it to get to higher pay levels. The barbwire around testicles, naked dog piles, and suffocation were documented in a book "The Pit." It was made into a film and circulated in MLM trials when the FTC and states hit the company.



THAT LED TO

Glenn Turner was a top distributor with Holiday Magic. He revolted at the torture training and started KOSCOT. Turner did ship products and his leadership company, Dare To Be Great, was based on strong positive training at $5000. Tony Robbins is believed to have attended a course and got his start here. Training was $5000 in 1970, and many today swear it was worth it! However, selling training for 1/3 the price of a new house did not set well with regulators. The state and Federal regulators shut Turner down.



THE LAW ARRIVES

When the FTC hit all of them (MLM companies), one of the major thrusts of the FTC attack was training. Was it of value? All MLM training was hit or suspect. You still see that today when the FTC or states hit a company: Training, if too high priced or paid via MLM, is a great big red flag! Companies that specialize in training can't sell training MLM and stay out of trouble!



AMWAY DODGES ISSUE

AMWAY was hit but had pulled a smart diversification (SO IT SEEMED AT THE TIME), and dodged training issues. In 1972, they started letting top distributors create their downline's entire training systems and informally turned loose what could be charged for training. Amway Corporate at first did motivational meetings at the regional levels, then turned these lucrative large training meetings over to the Diamonds. The FTC did not address the training issues when they sued and settled with Amway (thank you Amway), since they did not exist within the corporate structure!



AMWAY CRITICS ARE WRONG

One of the interesting misconceptions, even from Alticor - Amway - Quixtar members, is that the tools and training system is MLM. It is not. Diamonds generate material and sell it at markups thru the levels of their MLM organization. It is a broker relationship from top down. The upline, starting with top Diamonds, push materials on downlines as almost mandatory. There is not a commission structure, but rather a price mark up as motivational books, tapes, CD's and training sessions go down the rank of Diamonds.



ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER

The distributor training material (and rallies) deals are not within Amway-Alticor - Quixtar corporation. They are Crown Diamond distributor deals, down to the lowest Diamond. There is no formal structure dictated by Alticor - Amway for markups on the tapes and other training material as they travel downline. The worst MLM tape ever was a Diamond out of Colorado Springs bashing every MLM company but his. Others, like Hawkins "Prospecting" (1984), was magnificent (as were some of his other tapes).



ALMOST 40 YEARS LATER, YOUR WATCHDOG OPINION

WatchDog Opinion: The distributor training material (and especially rallies), have gotten too high. Especially the regional training meetings and the big push to get people to them. I am an advocate of MLMer's reading books and listening to tapes. However, I started "The Golden Opportunity" as an MLM with fair pricing for magazines, tapes and tools in the 80's as a kind of personal revolt against the "big wigs" raking in all the money at high prices. Your editor thinks that Amway - Alticor - Quixtar growth in the U.S. has been stunted by too much motovation! Complaints - yes, lots!



AMWAY QUIXTAR TRAINING U.K. SHAKE UP - NO TRAINING BOOKS - TAPES - MEETINGS

http://www.mlmwatchdog.com/Report_Amway_Training.html

LadyBauer said...

Actually, they have nothing to hide. If my memory serves me correctly, the topic was covered in detail at GDW. The difference between TEAM and other creators of audio motivational material (Tony Robbins, Zig Ziglar, etc.) is that TEAM cd's are a paltry $6. You can spend that much at a McD's. My husband spent around $150 for a set of Ziglar cd's after attending a company-paid (his employer bought his ticket) seminar. Try walking out of a music store with any music cd and you'll have spent much more than $6. My understanding is this: The only reason the tools income is not disclosed is that the mighty Q forbids it. My guess is that they don't want people to know that the Q business is not all that profitable by comparison. I have a friend who has been a Mary Kay consultant for over 20 years and she makes a better living off one line of products (skin care/cosmetics) than IBO's can make off of a business with multiple products. The difference is that Mary Kay is a TRUE business opportunity offering a quality line of products at REASONABLE prices. I could go on and on with my rant but what's the point. There are those that MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, those that WATCH THINGS HAPPEN and those that wonder WHAT HAPPENED? TEAM leaders are the former and it appears that Q/A Management (hard to call them leaders when no one wants to follow) are the latter.

My advice to you naysayers who have no real knowledge or understanding of TEAM and it's leadership, keep your opinions to yourself and stop embarrassing yourself. Everyone can have an opinion but that doesn't make it right.

By the way, I am descended from Patriots who fought for independence against the Crown and I am a Patriot on TEAM. I have no ill will against the Alticor Corporation and it's subsidiaries and will abide by all rules pertinent to me. I just choose to follow the leader who has my best interests at heart. I do believe in the vision of one million people.

Anonymous said...

bye the way, Ladybauer, according to the latest e-mail from our owners @ Q/A that meeting that your husband attended was forbidden! If it didn't promote Q/A he should have refused to go, because it promoted materials from "outsiders" (sorry Zig...). I am Sparticus!

Anonymous said...

You mean my former owners. I am no longer an IBO, and while I cannot join a competing MLM or approach my upline or downline, I can attend TEAM meetings since TEAM is not a competing MLM. I like how they try and disguise a blatant threat to IBOs by making it sound like they really want to help. Do people honestly believe anything coming from them anymore?

Snowy said...

Well written article.